Post by Nox on Jun 21, 2016 7:38:12 GMT
Originally created by: Maura
Maura on Mar 30, 2016 at 8:36am
I personally don't think that it is immoral or bad depending on the situation. If you put a full blown curse onto somebody who for example just once teased you, then of course it's no good idea. But if somebody hurt you by teasing and you put a small "bad luck" curse on them it is "okay" for me.
Ilene on Mar 31, 2016 at 12:33am
I don't really like the idea of intentionally going out of your way to do something to harm anyone. There's a difference between wanting to do something cruel because you're angry or upset with someone, and actually doing it.
Nox on Mar 31, 2016 at 1:44pm
Not gonna lie, I believe that if you're going to curse someone, you have to have a good reason. That's why all of my curses require one to think about why they're cursing x person. A curse can easily turn back on you or backfire and the results are usually worse for the caster. For example, if someone has or does abuse you, you have every right to curse them as long as no one is actually /dead/ because of it. I don't and will never support cursing someone to where they /die/.
Now, I don't even follow my own rules when it comes to curses except for the death one because I really enjoy casting minor curses. I don't necessarily hurt anyone, but I do curse someone, so things become inconvenient. With a good reason. For example, someone I dislike hurt a friend of mine and my reaction was to use a 'dark cloud spell' to bring on some negative experiences. They've lost most of the stuff they need for school and are honestly distraught, so it's quite satisfying.
This is just my personal opinion to be honest, but I feel that more modern witches (especially the younger witches) should try to show that there is something positive in witchcraft. Show that it's not just cursing people for the hell of it because, really, it's not just that.
This is just how I think. Sorry for the long ass rant.
Scarlet on Apr 3, 2016 at 12:38pm
In my opinion, there's no right for someone to hurt someone else with any kind of power. It's not important to me whether it is physical or magical force. I can't tolerate it, even if the person who is going to be cursed is a legit asshole or not. I don't think violating someone's life is the real answer, because it just causes as much/more negative emotions as/than you. It just creates another circle of violence in my opinion. But that's just maybe just my own opinion.
Furthermore, not everyone knows how to curse and it is really unfair to use your advantage for something so negative. For example, if someone physically stronger would use their advantage to bully those with less physical power, they would be considered as 'evil', right?
I know that my opinion sounds a bit arrogant, because everyone loses the hold of their emotions now and then and cursing can be their follow-up reaction to their frustration.
Nox on Apr 5, 2016 at 6:33pm
I agree and also disagree. No one should hurt someone else, especially if the other person has a disadvantage. A person should not be hurt, even if the caster believes there's a valid reason. That's why I don't teach others magic that can cause immense pain for the victim. I only cast bad luck spells, but nothing to hurt the person. Hurting people with magic is something I won't do. It's indirect and fruitful since it isn't a direct attack from me.
However, answer me this. Am I wrong for wanting to curse my abuser? If a man has taken advantage of me, am I in the wrong for wanting to curse them and let some negativity into their life? Am I really wrong for this? Perhaps to you, yes. To me, I see it as justified. I actually see it as pathetic that I wouldn't cast a devastating curse on those people. If a person has caused me to feel I have no power, is it wrong for me to use power I've gained from my practices to give them a taste of what I've felt and still feel for years? I highly disagree that this is wrong. If a person has been abused, used, thrown away, made out to be worth nothing by people, they have the right to curse them. I don't support spells that kill people and I never will. But if this is what you feel, then so be it. An abusive person shouldn't live-it allows them to hurt someone else.
I would prefer that someone cast a protection spell, but cursing is justified if you're cursing someone who's hurt you. That's just how I see it. It's not about if 'the person is a legit asshole'. If the person has hurt you, you have the right to seek revenge even if I don't necessarily recommend it. I'm a vengeful person in nature, so I understand those who cast these spells.
In the end, I can only say that a person can do what they feel is okay. If it doesn't involve me, then I won't get involved with opinions based on surface information. Do what you want, but be careful when doing so.
Scarlet on Apr 6, 2016 at 1:57pm
I understand your feelings quite well, but I don't think the key to absolute justice is revenge. I wouldn't say that I'm that pure to not think of revenge first if I am getting abused. Just because it is relatable to me, I wouldn't justify it in my opinion. Certainly, I can even say that I have beaten up a lot of people in my past as revenge and I still don't think it is the right way.
Yet, I would never tell someone what to do or not. I just don't think revenge is something righteous or moral.
Also, there is a difference between revenge and fighting back. Cursing doesn't seem like fighting back to me, I think.
Because:
1. Cursing doesn't really stop/or prevent the abuser to degenerate you again, as cursing makes you a anonymous oppressor.
2. Thus, you're not facing them or your problem at all.
Nox on Apr 6, 2016 at 5:46pm
You actually make a very valid point. Something that I can genuinely agree on and I honestly don't have a retort. Though I wasn't referencing to 'fighting back', this does indeed give closure to a lot of my judgments on this. I've taken note of this.
Maura on Mar 30, 2016 at 8:36am
I personally don't think that it is immoral or bad depending on the situation. If you put a full blown curse onto somebody who for example just once teased you, then of course it's no good idea. But if somebody hurt you by teasing and you put a small "bad luck" curse on them it is "okay" for me.
Ilene on Mar 31, 2016 at 12:33am
I don't really like the idea of intentionally going out of your way to do something to harm anyone. There's a difference between wanting to do something cruel because you're angry or upset with someone, and actually doing it.
Nox on Mar 31, 2016 at 1:44pm
Not gonna lie, I believe that if you're going to curse someone, you have to have a good reason. That's why all of my curses require one to think about why they're cursing x person. A curse can easily turn back on you or backfire and the results are usually worse for the caster. For example, if someone has or does abuse you, you have every right to curse them as long as no one is actually /dead/ because of it. I don't and will never support cursing someone to where they /die/.
Now, I don't even follow my own rules when it comes to curses except for the death one because I really enjoy casting minor curses. I don't necessarily hurt anyone, but I do curse someone, so things become inconvenient. With a good reason. For example, someone I dislike hurt a friend of mine and my reaction was to use a 'dark cloud spell' to bring on some negative experiences. They've lost most of the stuff they need for school and are honestly distraught, so it's quite satisfying.
This is just my personal opinion to be honest, but I feel that more modern witches (especially the younger witches) should try to show that there is something positive in witchcraft. Show that it's not just cursing people for the hell of it because, really, it's not just that.
This is just how I think. Sorry for the long ass rant.
Scarlet on Apr 3, 2016 at 12:38pm
In my opinion, there's no right for someone to hurt someone else with any kind of power. It's not important to me whether it is physical or magical force. I can't tolerate it, even if the person who is going to be cursed is a legit asshole or not. I don't think violating someone's life is the real answer, because it just causes as much/more negative emotions as/than you. It just creates another circle of violence in my opinion. But that's just maybe just my own opinion.
Furthermore, not everyone knows how to curse and it is really unfair to use your advantage for something so negative. For example, if someone physically stronger would use their advantage to bully those with less physical power, they would be considered as 'evil', right?
I know that my opinion sounds a bit arrogant, because everyone loses the hold of their emotions now and then and cursing can be their follow-up reaction to their frustration.
Nox on Apr 5, 2016 at 6:33pm
Apr 3, 2016 at 12:38pm Scarlet said:
In my opinion, there's no right for someone to hurt someone else with any kind of power. It's not important to me whether it is physical or magical force. I can't tolerate it, even if the person who is going to be cursed is a legit asshole or not. I don't think violating someone's life is the real answer, because it just causes as much/more negative emotions as/than you. It just creates another circle of violence in my opinion. But that's just maybe just my own opinion.
Furthermore, not everyone knows how to curse and it is really unfair to use your advantage for something so negative. For example, if someone physically stronger would use their advantage to bully those with less physical power, they would be considered as 'evil', right?
I know that my opinion sounds a bit arrogant, because everyone loses the hold of their emotions now and then and cursing can be their follow-up reaction to their frustration.
In my opinion, there's no right for someone to hurt someone else with any kind of power. It's not important to me whether it is physical or magical force. I can't tolerate it, even if the person who is going to be cursed is a legit asshole or not. I don't think violating someone's life is the real answer, because it just causes as much/more negative emotions as/than you. It just creates another circle of violence in my opinion. But that's just maybe just my own opinion.
Furthermore, not everyone knows how to curse and it is really unfair to use your advantage for something so negative. For example, if someone physically stronger would use their advantage to bully those with less physical power, they would be considered as 'evil', right?
I know that my opinion sounds a bit arrogant, because everyone loses the hold of their emotions now and then and cursing can be their follow-up reaction to their frustration.
I agree and also disagree. No one should hurt someone else, especially if the other person has a disadvantage. A person should not be hurt, even if the caster believes there's a valid reason. That's why I don't teach others magic that can cause immense pain for the victim. I only cast bad luck spells, but nothing to hurt the person. Hurting people with magic is something I won't do. It's indirect and fruitful since it isn't a direct attack from me.
However, answer me this. Am I wrong for wanting to curse my abuser? If a man has taken advantage of me, am I in the wrong for wanting to curse them and let some negativity into their life? Am I really wrong for this? Perhaps to you, yes. To me, I see it as justified. I actually see it as pathetic that I wouldn't cast a devastating curse on those people. If a person has caused me to feel I have no power, is it wrong for me to use power I've gained from my practices to give them a taste of what I've felt and still feel for years? I highly disagree that this is wrong. If a person has been abused, used, thrown away, made out to be worth nothing by people, they have the right to curse them. I don't support spells that kill people and I never will. But if this is what you feel, then so be it. An abusive person shouldn't live-it allows them to hurt someone else.
I would prefer that someone cast a protection spell, but cursing is justified if you're cursing someone who's hurt you. That's just how I see it. It's not about if 'the person is a legit asshole'. If the person has hurt you, you have the right to seek revenge even if I don't necessarily recommend it. I'm a vengeful person in nature, so I understand those who cast these spells.
In the end, I can only say that a person can do what they feel is okay. If it doesn't involve me, then I won't get involved with opinions based on surface information. Do what you want, but be careful when doing so.
Scarlet on Apr 6, 2016 at 1:57pm
Apr 5, 2016 at 6:33pm Nox said:
I agree and also disagree. No one should hurt someone else, especially if the other person has a disadvantage. A person should not be hurt, even if the caster believes there's a valid reason. That's why I don't teach others magic that can cause immense pain for the victim. I only cast bad luck spells, but nothing to hurt the person. Hurting people with magic is something I won't do. It's indirect and fruitful since it isn't a direct attack from me.
However, answer me this. Am I wrong for wanting to curse my abuser? If a man has taken advantage of me, am I in the wrong for wanting to curse them and let some negativity into their life? Am I really wrong for this? Perhaps to you, yes. To me, I see it as justified. I actually see it as pathetic that I wouldn't cast a devastating curse on those people. If a person has caused me to feel I have no power, is it wrong for me to use power I've gained from my practices to give them a taste of what I've felt and still feel for years? I highly disagree that this is wrong. If a person has been abused, used, thrown away, made out to be worth nothing by people, they have the right to curse them. I don't support spells that kill people and I never will. But if this is what you feel, then so be it. An abusive person shouldn't live-it allows them to hurt someone else.
I would prefer that someone cast a protection spell, but cursing is justified if you're cursing someone who's hurt you. That's just how I see it. It's not about if 'the person is a legit asshole'. If the person has hurt you, you have the right to seek revenge even if I don't necessarily recommend it. I'm a vengeful person in nature, so I understand those who cast these spells.
In the end, I can only say that a person can do what they feel is okay. If it doesn't involve me, then I won't get involved with opinions based on surface information. Do what you want, but be careful when doing so.
Apr 3, 2016 at 12:38pm Scarlet said:
In my opinion, there's no right for someone to hurt someone else with any kind of power. It's not important to me whether it is physical or magical force. I can't tolerate it, even if the person who is going to be cursed is a legit asshole or not. I don't think violating someone's life is the real answer, because it just causes as much/more negative emotions as/than you. It just creates another circle of violence in my opinion. But that's just maybe just my own opinion.
Furthermore, not everyone knows how to curse and it is really unfair to use your advantage for something so negative. For example, if someone physically stronger would use their advantage to bully those with less physical power, they would be considered as 'evil', right?
I know that my opinion sounds a bit arrogant, because everyone loses the hold of their emotions now and then and cursing can be their follow-up reaction to their frustration.
In my opinion, there's no right for someone to hurt someone else with any kind of power. It's not important to me whether it is physical or magical force. I can't tolerate it, even if the person who is going to be cursed is a legit asshole or not. I don't think violating someone's life is the real answer, because it just causes as much/more negative emotions as/than you. It just creates another circle of violence in my opinion. But that's just maybe just my own opinion.
Furthermore, not everyone knows how to curse and it is really unfair to use your advantage for something so negative. For example, if someone physically stronger would use their advantage to bully those with less physical power, they would be considered as 'evil', right?
I know that my opinion sounds a bit arrogant, because everyone loses the hold of their emotions now and then and cursing can be their follow-up reaction to their frustration.
I agree and also disagree. No one should hurt someone else, especially if the other person has a disadvantage. A person should not be hurt, even if the caster believes there's a valid reason. That's why I don't teach others magic that can cause immense pain for the victim. I only cast bad luck spells, but nothing to hurt the person. Hurting people with magic is something I won't do. It's indirect and fruitful since it isn't a direct attack from me.
However, answer me this. Am I wrong for wanting to curse my abuser? If a man has taken advantage of me, am I in the wrong for wanting to curse them and let some negativity into their life? Am I really wrong for this? Perhaps to you, yes. To me, I see it as justified. I actually see it as pathetic that I wouldn't cast a devastating curse on those people. If a person has caused me to feel I have no power, is it wrong for me to use power I've gained from my practices to give them a taste of what I've felt and still feel for years? I highly disagree that this is wrong. If a person has been abused, used, thrown away, made out to be worth nothing by people, they have the right to curse them. I don't support spells that kill people and I never will. But if this is what you feel, then so be it. An abusive person shouldn't live-it allows them to hurt someone else.
I would prefer that someone cast a protection spell, but cursing is justified if you're cursing someone who's hurt you. That's just how I see it. It's not about if 'the person is a legit asshole'. If the person has hurt you, you have the right to seek revenge even if I don't necessarily recommend it. I'm a vengeful person in nature, so I understand those who cast these spells.
In the end, I can only say that a person can do what they feel is okay. If it doesn't involve me, then I won't get involved with opinions based on surface information. Do what you want, but be careful when doing so.
I understand your feelings quite well, but I don't think the key to absolute justice is revenge. I wouldn't say that I'm that pure to not think of revenge first if I am getting abused. Just because it is relatable to me, I wouldn't justify it in my opinion. Certainly, I can even say that I have beaten up a lot of people in my past as revenge and I still don't think it is the right way.
Yet, I would never tell someone what to do or not. I just don't think revenge is something righteous or moral.
Also, there is a difference between revenge and fighting back. Cursing doesn't seem like fighting back to me, I think.
Because:
1. Cursing doesn't really stop/or prevent the abuser to degenerate you again, as cursing makes you a anonymous oppressor.
2. Thus, you're not facing them or your problem at all.
Nox on Apr 6, 2016 at 5:46pm
Apr 6, 2016 at 1:57pm Scarlet said:
I understand your feelings quite well, but I don't think the key to absolute justice is revenge. I wouldn't say that I'm that pure to not think of revenge first if I am getting abused. Just because it is relatable to me, I wouldn't justify it in my opinion. Certainly, I can even say that I have beaten up a lot of people in my past as revenge and I still don't think it is the right way.
Yet, I would never tell someone what to do or not. I just don't think revenge is something righteous or moral.
Also, there is a difference between revenge and fighting back. Cursing doesn't seem like fighting back to me, I think.
Because:
1. Cursing doesn't really stop/or prevent the abuser to degenerate you again, as cursing makes you a anonymous oppressor.
2. Thus, you're not facing them or your problem at all.
Apr 5, 2016 at 6:33pm Nox said:
I agree and also disagree. No one should hurt someone else, especially if the other person has a disadvantage. A person should not be hurt, even if the caster believes there's a valid reason. That's why I don't teach others magic that can cause immense pain for the victim. I only cast bad luck spells, but nothing to hurt the person. Hurting people with magic is something I won't do. It's indirect and fruitful since it isn't a direct attack from me.
However, answer me this. Am I wrong for wanting to curse my abuser? If a man has taken advantage of me, am I in the wrong for wanting to curse them and let some negativity into their life? Am I really wrong for this? Perhaps to you, yes. To me, I see it as justified. I actually see it as pathetic that I wouldn't cast a devastating curse on those people. If a person has caused me to feel I have no power, is it wrong for me to use power I've gained from my practices to give them a taste of what I've felt and still feel for years? I highly disagree that this is wrong. If a person has been abused, used, thrown away, made out to be worth nothing by people, they have the right to curse them. I don't support spells that kill people and I never will. But if this is what you feel, then so be it. An abusive person shouldn't live-it allows them to hurt someone else.
I would prefer that someone cast a protection spell, but cursing is justified if you're cursing someone who's hurt you. That's just how I see it. It's not about if 'the person is a legit asshole'. If the person has hurt you, you have the right to seek revenge even if I don't necessarily recommend it. I'm a vengeful person in nature, so I understand those who cast these spells.
In the end, I can only say that a person can do what they feel is okay. If it doesn't involve me, then I won't get involved with opinions based on surface information. Do what you want, but be careful when doing so.
I agree and also disagree. No one should hurt someone else, especially if the other person has a disadvantage. A person should not be hurt, even if the caster believes there's a valid reason. That's why I don't teach others magic that can cause immense pain for the victim. I only cast bad luck spells, but nothing to hurt the person. Hurting people with magic is something I won't do. It's indirect and fruitful since it isn't a direct attack from me.
However, answer me this. Am I wrong for wanting to curse my abuser? If a man has taken advantage of me, am I in the wrong for wanting to curse them and let some negativity into their life? Am I really wrong for this? Perhaps to you, yes. To me, I see it as justified. I actually see it as pathetic that I wouldn't cast a devastating curse on those people. If a person has caused me to feel I have no power, is it wrong for me to use power I've gained from my practices to give them a taste of what I've felt and still feel for years? I highly disagree that this is wrong. If a person has been abused, used, thrown away, made out to be worth nothing by people, they have the right to curse them. I don't support spells that kill people and I never will. But if this is what you feel, then so be it. An abusive person shouldn't live-it allows them to hurt someone else.
I would prefer that someone cast a protection spell, but cursing is justified if you're cursing someone who's hurt you. That's just how I see it. It's not about if 'the person is a legit asshole'. If the person has hurt you, you have the right to seek revenge even if I don't necessarily recommend it. I'm a vengeful person in nature, so I understand those who cast these spells.
In the end, I can only say that a person can do what they feel is okay. If it doesn't involve me, then I won't get involved with opinions based on surface information. Do what you want, but be careful when doing so.
I understand your feelings quite well, but I don't think the key to absolute justice is revenge. I wouldn't say that I'm that pure to not think of revenge first if I am getting abused. Just because it is relatable to me, I wouldn't justify it in my opinion. Certainly, I can even say that I have beaten up a lot of people in my past as revenge and I still don't think it is the right way.
Yet, I would never tell someone what to do or not. I just don't think revenge is something righteous or moral.
Also, there is a difference between revenge and fighting back. Cursing doesn't seem like fighting back to me, I think.
Because:
1. Cursing doesn't really stop/or prevent the abuser to degenerate you again, as cursing makes you a anonymous oppressor.
2. Thus, you're not facing them or your problem at all.
You actually make a very valid point. Something that I can genuinely agree on and I honestly don't have a retort. Though I wasn't referencing to 'fighting back', this does indeed give closure to a lot of my judgments on this. I've taken note of this.